The Chad & Cheese Podcast

The band is finally back together! This week on HR’s most dangerous podcast, Chad, Mo, and Lieven team up for a wild ride across dystopian corporate tracking, AI bias, and the shifting sands of global recruitment. If you thought the job market couldn’t get any weirder, you’re going to want to hear this. Here is a look at what the crew is tackling on this week's show: Indeed Goes In For The Kill: Indeed’s new "changing landscape" FAQ drops a massive hint about their latest agenda. Chad explains why the platform is trying to squeeze out recruitment agencies entirely. IBM Tells Boomers to Pack Their Bags: A juicy new lawsuit alleges that IBM used automated hiring tech to block older, laid-off workers from returning. ChatGPT’s "AI Job Slop": OpenAI launched conversational job searching partnered with Indeed, Upwork, and Appcast. Lieven tests it via VPN with hilarious, glitchy results , while Chad exposes how the platform is already infected with the exact same scam jobs and candidate-harvesting schemes plaguing Google. Meta's Dystopian Trap: Mark Zuckerberg wants you to think Meta is saving the world with a $115M workforce training academy. In reality, the team connects the dots. Plus: Stick around to hear about Mo's questionable obsession with a fictional hockey captain , Lieven's take on European pay transparency , and a binary dad joke. Are we descending into a corporate tech dystopia, or can we build guardrails before the robots completely take over?

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Chad and Joel, drag Meghan Rhatigan (VP of Talent Acquisition Experience at Marriott International) into the interrogation room to find out how a hospitality giant survives a global punch in the face. Marriott used to live in a pre-2020 la-la land where millions of candidates just fell into their laps organically. Then the pandemic hit, the world shut down, and Marriott was caught flat-footed trying to fill 200,000 global roles using the same old clunky tech and slow-as-molasses hiring managers. Enter Meghan and her organizational change management background to fix a "fat funnel" nightmare where the interview process alone took two agonizing weeks. The "Legal AI" Secret Sauce The ROI: The 5-Million Candidate Bench The Loyalty Program Hustle: Listen and enjoy!

It is officially Joel-Free June, which means Joel is off on an extended European holiday while Chad holds down the fort with two brilliant industry heavyweights: Emi Beredugo and JT O'Donnell. From boardroom coups and high-stakes acquisitions to massive corporate grifts, the trio dives deep into a chaotic week of HR technology news. Stepstone's Plot Twist JobGet Snaps Up Ripple Match The Job.com Meltdown The Point Solution Funeral Billionaires, Layoffs, & Job Slop AI Lost in Translation Listener Shoutout: A massive shoutout to TA champion Terry Dewey for slashing their organization's Indeed spend over the past 12 months by putting our podcast strategies to work! Keep the cash, Terry, but feel free to ship that bottle of whiskey to the studio anyway. Don't miss Chad and Emi live at Recfest UK on July 2nd at Knebworth Park! Emi is taking over the Innovate Stage as MC, while Chad and a freshly returned Joel will be bringing the noise to the Disrupt Stage. Get your incredibly soft The Chad & Cheese t-shirts, free beer, and free whiskey by heading over to chadandcheese.com/free.

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HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast Just Dropped a Big Gulp of Truth. 🥤 Think automated hiring is just a cold, heartless robot out to steal your corporate badge? Think again. Chad and Cheese sit down with Rachel Allen, Senior Director of TA at 7-Eleven. She manages over 110,000 hires a year and automated 95% of their store recruitment. The result? They slashed time-to-hire from 10+ days to under three (and sometimes three hours, because speed kills). Meet "Rita": The AI assistant so good, store managers literally asked to meet her in person. (Awkward...) "Help is Coming": How to drop a massive tech overhaul on your staff without causing a mutiny. The Marketing Hijack: How the TA team hitched a ride on product shipments to score free recruitment marketing. Accidental Quality: How solving for pure speed accidentally fixed their crap candidate quality and retention problems. "Where we mess up sometimes is we lead with the technology—the shiny new thing—versus what are we solving for?" — Rachel Allen, 7-Eleven Whether you’re drowning in high-volume resumes or sweating bullets that a chatbot is coming for your sourcing desk, Rachel drops a masterclass on putting humans where they actually matter.

Grab your pastel shorts and a cold drink because Chad is broadcasting live from Portugal, celebrating his birthday alongside a local bar owner while Joel prepares for a milestone anniversary trip to Italy.  In this high-energy, unfiltered episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys take a sledgehammer to the current AI hype cycle, contrasting Workday’s massive earnings and $500 million agentic AI run rate against the harsh reality of Microsoft and Uber scaling back their tech due to exploding compute costs. From Stepstone’s new EU compliance push to Indeed’s automated features, Chad drops a massive hot take on how over-engineered recruiting tools create dangerous compliance risks and automation bias. They tie up the loose ends of the global economy by breaking down everything from the historic Indy 500 finish and a comedic eulogy for Schlitz beer, to the Pope's latest tech warnings and the EU's pivot to renewable energy as a national security weapon. It is the perfect, loose, and brutally honest mix of global geopolitics, HR tech consolidation, and birthday banter that you absolutely cannot miss. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Personal Milestones 02:08 - Joel and Chad's Birthdays and Anniversaries 04:27 - Industry Conference Insights: Old Dogs vs. Disruptors 08:34 - Shoutouts and Personal Highlights 11:28 - Indy 500 Race Highlights and Experience 16:28 - Workday's Earnings and AI Investment 20:04 - AI Market Race: Google, OpenAI, and Industry Disruption 23:06 - Historical Perspective: Netscape and Microsoft's Browser War 27:39 - Top Tall's Acquisition Strategy and Market Position 30:02 - EU and US AI Regulations and Industry Impact 40:05 - AI's Cost Challenges and Economic Realities 44:23 - Public Perception and Future of AI 47:50 - Global Energy Transition and Geopolitical Implications 54:38 - US Dollar, Oil, and Global Power Dynamics 55:23 - Humorous Close and Birthday Wishes

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Joel and Chad catch up with Patti Tabris, Senior Director of Talent Acquisition at ResultsCX, to discuss the massive impact of AI on global, high-volume hiring. The Highlights: The Power of "Olivia": The AI assistant that answered 1.8 million questions and scheduled over 100,000 interviews in just 12 months. From Friction to Flow: Patti boosted assessment completion rates from 30% to 90%. Chat-First Applications: An impressive 80% conversion rate! The Funding Hack: A how-to on funding new tech. More Than a Bot: Beyond hiring, the team is now implementing AI for onboarding to handle first-day FAQs and pre-boarding care. "Recruiting is all about getting to meet as many people to see if they're qualified... if we can implement AI to do the administrative work, recruiters can spend more time with candidates." — Patti Tabris

What happens when HR tech giants crush earnings while the rest of the industry faces massive layoffs? In this special episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel Cheesman is joined by guest co-host J.T. O'Donnell to deliver a dose of optimistic realism on the chaotic state of the 2026 job market. Before diving into the heavy-hitting industry news, the duo kicks things off with plenty of humor, swapping banter over deviled egg recipes, Memorial Day cookout plans, upcoming European travel, and why Southwest Airlines is making headlines with a strict new ban on humanoid robots. They also share a quick streaming recommendation for Apple TV's Your Friends and Neighbors and give a nod to the Crime Junkies podcast before getting down to business.The core of the episode spotlights a deeply divided job market where massive tech layoffs collide with explosive corporate growth. Joel and J.T. break down the staggering down-sizing trends hitting Meta and LinkedIn, contrasting those cuts with the massive, expectation-shattering earnings report just released by Recruit Holdings, the parent company of Indeed and Glassdoor. J.T. lends her expertise to LinkedIn’s aggressive new strategy to launch thousands of gated, paid creator-led virtual events to combat generic platform "slop." Finally, the hosts look at the changing face of automation, analyzing how artificial intelligence is shifting call center dynamics abroad, and exploring Amazon’s eerie new Alexa capability that generates fully synthetic podcasts on demand.

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How Ace Hardware Scaled to 100 Years with AI Can a century-old brand out-recruit Amazon? In this episode, Stef Nikitas and Kaleigh Burns from Ace Hardware join Chad and Cheese to discuss "Project Hurricane"—the total overhaul of their hiring process. They share how they transformed a $500k "flyers and softball" budget into a $4 million automated recruiting machine. Key Highlights: Who is this... Grace? The "Toy" Test: Differentiate or Die The 2-Minute App Stop "posting and praying" and start listening to how one of America’s most iconic brands is winning the talent war through high-tech helpfulness. How did the Ace team manage the "culture shock" of introducing AI to a workforce with such long-standing tenure?

Grab your favorite beverage for a special, highly opinionated "just us girls" episode of the podcast, featuring Joel Cheesman and Maureen “Moe” Clough taking the mic without the rest of the usual crew. This week, the duo delivers a light-hearted yet deeply substantive look into the massive worker backlash against artificial intelligence and the brutal realities of today's hiring market. The hosts kick things off with quick hits covering a disastrous, heavily booed commencement speech at the University of Central Florida and a surprising take on the narrative depth of The Devil Wears Prada 2. From there, the conversation tackles major industry shifts as massive job platforms like Upwork and ZipRecruiter face severe financial softening, sparking a debate on whether automation is permanently consuming traditional contractor roles. The gloves come off as they dissect a bold claim from Andreessen Horowitz labeling legacy HR software giants like Workday a "cartel," while analyzing how defensive tech acquisitions—such as Ashby buying Talent Llama—signal a broader software-as-a-service apocalypse. Moe offers her expertise on age discrimination, discussing a lawsuit against Bloomberg Industry Group. The discussion moves to the backlash against automated hiring tools and LinkedIn’s new paid consultation feature. Finally, there is a disagreement over Google's new Gemini-powered smart glasses. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts 01:35 - Current Events and AI's Impact 05:30 - AI and the Youth Perspective 10:01 - Data Centers and Community Impact16:31Industry News: Upwork, ZipRecruiter, and Workday 19:59 - The Future of Work and AI's Role 22:00 - The SaaS Cartel and Its Challenges 25:02 - Age Discrimination in the Workplace 34:56 - AI's Role in Hiring and Recruitment 42:21 - The Rapid Evolution of AI in Hiring 45:04 - LinkedIn's New Monetization Features 52:51 - The Controversy of Smart Glasses 01:03:01 - The Inevitable Rise of Smart Technology

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The "Lean, Mean, Hiring Machine": 6 Recruiters vs. 2,400 Locations How do you hire for Applebee’s, Taco Bell, Arby’s, and Planet Fitness without losing your mind? If you’re Mark Gibson at Flynn Group, you don’t—you let a robot named Frankie do it. In this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, we hang out with the man managing the world’s largest franchise empire with a recruiting team so small they could all fit in one booth at Applebee's. Mark breaks down how they ditched boring forms for text-based AI, turning their six recruiters into "high-level media buyers" instead of resume-shuffling zombies. What’s inside: The "Midnight Million": What happens when you flip the switch on a new system and wake up to a literal mountain of applicants. Frankie Goes to Hollywood (and Pizza Hut): How an AI assistant handles the "boring stuff" so humans can actually be human. TikTok vs. The Churn: Using Gen Z influencers to drive talent and AI surveys to make sure they don't "ghost" after day three. Judgment Day: Mark addresses the "Terminator" fears of automation. Spoiler alert: the robots aren't making the pizzas... yet. From "black card" memberships for fries to surviving the HR tech "Judgment Day," this is a deep dive into how to scale a global empire without the overhead. Grab a snack and listen in—Frankie is watching. If you could automate the single most annoying part of your job today, what would it be?

Hold onto your hats for another candid episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, where the industry’s most opinionated trio—Chad Sowash, Joel Cheesman, and JT O’Donnell—break down the latest HR tech shakeups. Between JT’s "29th" birthday celebrations and Chad "hydrating" with a Guinness in Portugal, the group dives deep into the iCIMS leadership change. Is a CFO-turned-CEO a sign of a bold new chapter or a flashing "For Sale" sign? The hosts don’t hold back on what this means for employees and customers alike.The acquisition trail is just as heated, as the team debates Phenom snapping up Plum.io and questions whether more "psychobabble" assessments actually solve hiring problems. On the flip side, there’s plenty of buzz around Greenhouse’s bet on Ezra AI Labs and the massive revenue potential behind LinkedIn’s new Agentic AI hiring tools. JT shares her exclusive early-access results, while the guys debate whether it’s a recruiter’s dream or just a glorified search bar. From a look at LinkedIn’s Thought Leader Ads to a fiery discussion on living wages and a shout-out to King Charles, this episode is packed with industry realism and sharp wit. It all culminates in a high-stakes round of "Who’d You Rather?" where the team chooses between the AI talent agents at Dex and the personalized coaching of Blooma.  Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Celebrations 02:56 - World Cup Ticket Prices and Attendance Concerns 05:57 - The Cost of Experiences and Living Wages 08:55 - Innovative Advertising on LinkedIn 12:00 - Political Commentary and Economic Insights 14:57 - Upcoming Events and Travel Plans 17:10 - Chicago Delicacies and Nostalgia 18:25 - Leadership Changes at iCims 19:15 - The Impact of New Leadership 22:19 - The Future of iCims 26:26 - Acquisitions in the Talent Assessment Space 30:08 - Behavioral Testing: A Critical Perspective 34:15 - Greenhouse's Strategic Acquisition of Ezra AI Labs 39:14 - The Value of Timing in Business Decisions 42:13 - LinkedIn's New AI Hiring Tools 50:10 - The Evolution of Recruitment Skills 54:11 - Innovative Job Seeking Strategies 01:00:24 - Comparing New Startups: Dex vs. Blooma

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In this session, Jeff Taylor, the legendary founder of MonsterBoard and Monster.com, joins Chad to discuss his re-entry into the talent space after a 20-year hiatus. Taylor reflects on the industry’s "Jurassic period" and outlines his plan to disrupt the market once more with his new venture, Boomband. Episode Highlights The LinkedIn "What If": Jeff details the 2003 deal to buy LinkedIn for $304 million that was killed by his board because the company was "too profitable". Super Bowl Secrets: A look back at how a "failed" ironic ad led to a 700% traffic spike for Monster. The AI Wave: Why Jeff believes the current AI explosion rhymes with the 1997 dot-com bubble and his predictions for the next two years. Mapping the Market: An introduction to Boomband’s mission to map 175 million U.S. workers and eliminate the "hostage data model" of stagnant resumes. Disruption Philosophy: Why Jeff believes you have to "break your own shit" in the middle of the night before someone else does it for you. Sit back, relax, and enjoy.

Personio: Going Big or Staying Home? After a grueling multi-year restructuring and retreating from the US market, Personio has finally reported its first profitable quarter in Q1 2026. However, the hosts argue the company chose to "stay home" rather than "go big" by releasing a "slop". announcement that lacked actual revenue figures and buried the lead under a "thirsty" acquisition of Aurio, an AI agent startup. The AI Layoff : Big tech giants like Meta and Amazon are slashing thousands of jobs to fund a massive $130 billion race into AI, essentially forcing employees to train the algorithms that may eventually replace them. UK vs. US Quality of Life: The team debates data suggesting the UK outperforms the US in healthcare, paid maternity leave, and life expectancy, though it still trails behind Belgium in several social metrics. Ethical Warfare at Palantir: Discussion centers on Alex Karp’s "techno-fascism" and the plight of engineers stuck between their moral beliefs and an "evil empire" involved in controversial government contracts. Nomad Health’s Strategic Pivot: Nomad Health is transitioning from a staffing agency to a software platform, aiming to become the "operating system" for the healthcare hiring industry to capture higher margins with lower headcount. LinkedIn’s Leadership Shakeup: Dan Shapiro replaces Ryan Roslansky as CEO, inheriting a mandate to reinvent the platform as AI shifts the fundamental landscape of professional networking.

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

In this high-stakes episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel and Chad swap their usual banter for a masterclass in human psychology with Jim Lawler, a former CIA case officer who spent 25 years convincing people to commit treason for the United States. Lawler pulls back the curtain on the "addictive" world of espionage, describing his career across posh European postings as a relentless pursuit of the "adrenaline junkie" high that comes from subverting foreign governments. From his early days nearly skipping the agency for a "miserable" family business to the pinnacle of his career dismantling nuclear networks, Lawler shares the gritty reality of being a "professional manipulator" within the lanes of U.S. law. The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Lawler translates his CIA tradecraft into actionable wisdom for HR and recruiters. He breaks down the legendary MICE framework—Money, Ideology, Coercion, and Ego—explaining why he never recruited a "happy person" and why ego is often the most powerful leverage point for turning an asset. Whether it’s his ten qualities of a top recruiter—like "mastery of the metaphysics" and finding the "cracks" in a candidate’s psychological armor—or his surreal story of sitting on $1 billion in gold in a Swiss vault, this episode is a deep dive into the art of building trust in the most untrustworthy environments.

In this episode, Joel and JT break down the seismic shifts rocking the industry, from a massive restructuring wave hitting giants like Meta, Disney, and Snap to the high-profile leadership exits at JobCase and SeekOut. With over 80,000 tech layoffs already this year, we explore why VCs are now hunting for distressed assets and how companies are desperately pivoting toward AI to survive. We also dive into how Gen Z is navigating this "Darwinian" job market by ditching traditional networking for startup hustles, skilled trades, and a surprising return to "analog culture." The conversation takes a futuristic turn as we examine the rise of the machines—from Russia’s robot-led battlefield losses to China’s marathon-running humanoids and the expansion of Tesla’s RoboTaxis. Finally, we look at the "Art Washing" of LinkedIn, where stars like Grimes and top NFL prospects are trading stages and stadiums for B2B brand deals and AI tech ventures. Whether it's the death of the traditional music industry or the birth of low-casualty robot warfare, this episode covers the rapid evolution of how we work, fight, and build brands. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Seasonal Reflections 02:59 - Gen Xers Learning to Code and AI Opportunities 05:58 - Shout Outs and Personal Updates 08:25 - Layoffs and Industry Changes 12:13 - Young Entrepreneurs and the Shift in Job Market 18:05 - The Role of Robots in Modern Warfare and Transportation 28:43 - Navigating the Future of Transportation 34:28 - The Evolution of Warfare and Military Recruitment 37:24 - Energy Crisis: Challenges and Opportunities 45:06 - Musicians on LinkedIn: A New Era of Branding 53:11 - The Changing Landscape of Live Music and Concerts

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Forget the "walled gardens" of enterprise tech; it’s time to talk about what happens when the walls finally come down. In this episode of Mallorca Talks, Chad Sowash and SmartRecruiters CEO Rebecca Carr strip away the corporate ego to reveal a future of radical connectivity. Backed by a fleet of 120 SAP engineers, they’re ditching rigid job descriptions for a world where AI agents handle the grind and humans are free to create. It’s bold, it’s transparent, and it’s changing everything. Chapters: 0:00:24 — The Vision of Connected Ecosystems 0:04:46 — Agentic Workflows and Messaging Connectivity 0:06:26 — Case Study: Real-Time Behavioral Feedback 0:08:43 — The New Model of Partnerships and Pricing 0:12:27 — SAP’s Commitment: The Engineering "Fleet" 0:21:12 — Fixing the "Leaky Bucket" of Recruitment Marketing 0:25:46 — From "Jobs" to "Tasks-to-be-Done" 0:37:06 — Creativity Unleashed: The Future of Work

Buckle up, HR tech nerds, because the boys are back to save you from your own snooze-fest industry. On this episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel and Chad are diving headfirst into the chaotic vibes of 2026. They kick things off with a wild ride through the future—from the engineering feat of cleaning toilets on the Artemis moon missions to the "side hustle seduction" of the AI training gold rush. While platforms like Handshake and Mercor see revenues skyrocket, the big question remains: are experts actually mentoring AI, or just training their own replacements? The cynicism stays high as the duo tackles the latest drama from Silicon Valley elites, including Molotov cocktails at Sam Altman’s house and Mark Zuckerberg’s creepy AI twin. They dig into the "existential threat" AI poses to Gen Z, who are using the tech weekly but fear it’s gutting their wages and killing their creativity. On the industry front, they break down Humanly’s acquisition of Anthill, questioning if this is a masterstroke in the frontline workforce game or just a high-speed fire sale. Expect the usual blend of sharp analysis, 90s music nostalgia, and enough dad jokes to make you regret your career choices. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Current Events 03:00 - Reflections on Space Exploration and Sports 05:58 - Oasis and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 09:55 - Candidate Fraud and AI Training Market 14:58 - The Future of AI and Human Involvement 21:47 - The Future of AI and Human Interaction 24:21 - Silicon Valley's Controversial Figures 27:43 - The Impact of AI on Jobs and Society 35:10 - Generational Perspectives on AI 41:14 - Humanly's Strategic Acquisitions and Market Positioning