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“And so when life comes to the end, you start realizing that there are very few moments where someone is a good person or a bad person, but rather there are just choices that are made and hopefully those choices end up being right” - David Illiatovitch-Owen David is 48 and lives in Toronto with his wife, two kids, and two dogs. He is a small business owner, the father of two, a second degree black belt in Hapkido, has never listened to a podcast and is dying of pancreatic cancer. His little sister Sarah is 37 and lives in Chicago with her husband, three kids, and cat. She is an artist, educator, activist, grief worker, trauma informed practitioner, avid podcast listener and desperate to be of some use to her big brother. David is in pain, on drugs, and doesn’t know what to do with his time. Sarah suggests he listens to podcasts. David suggests (then insists) they make one. And so begins Sarah and David’s hilarious, irreverent and unflinching journey to follow the ups and down