
by Amy Devers
<p><a href="https://www.cleverpodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Clever</a> is an award-winning, independent podcast that offers a window into the humanity behind the design of the world around us.</p><p>In each episode, designer Amy Devers has candid and revealing conversations with the visionaries, culture-makers, and creative forces who shape our world and inform our society. Through a disarming mix of raw candor and honest shop-talk, Clever peels back the layers to unearth the gritty, authentic and sometimes surprising details of their creative paths.</p><br><p><a href="https://www.cleverpodcast.com/clever-confidential" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Clever Confidential</a> is Clever’s offshoot series where we dig into the lesser told stories of the darker side of design; the shadowy, sometimes sordid, tales hiding under a glossy top coat of respectable legacy.</p><br><p>Visit our website:</p><p><a href="https://www.cleverpodcast.com/" rel="noopener